ATLANTA - For Tom Glavine and John Smoltz, this season has surely rekindled memories of their early days with the Atlanta Braves.
Back in the late 1980s, they were just coming up with one of baseball's worst teams.
Now, they've come full circle.
As Glavine and Smoltz wind down their likely Hall of Fame careers - and there's a chance both have already thrown their final pitches - they can only watch as the Braves find themselves mired near the bottom of the standings, just playing out the season while other teams battle for division titles and playoff spots.
'It hasn't been a lot of fun for anybody,' said Glavine, standing at his locker and fiddling with a nasty, two-inch scar running along the inside of his left elbow. 'It's hard to watch some nights.'
Especially when you've been such a big part of an organization that was so used to winning.
Glavine and Smoltz were there at the beginning, when the Braves went from worst to first - and all the way to Game 7 of the 1991 World Series. Along the way, they've been serenaded with the monotonous drone of the tomahawk chop, helped Atlanta's pitching staff put a stranglehold on the Cy Young award, led a team that won a record 14 straight division titles, and, most memorably, sprayed champagne when this city captured its only major sports championship.
Those giddy days seem like a lifetime ago.
Glavine is 42 and recovering from elbow surgery. Smoltz is 41 and rehabbing from a major shoulder operation. Neither envisioned their careers ending like this, both watching from the sideline while a bunch of anonymous youngsters serve up batting-practice pitches, throw to the wrong base and swing at balls a foot off the plate.
'This is nothing like any other year, period,' Smoltz said. 'There's nothing to describe or explain it. You really can't. If this is the penance of 14 straight years of winning, I guess we were due it.'
Not that they expected it.
Glavine, who left the Braves for a five-year exile with the hated New York Mets, returned this season like a prodigal son, all the bitterness and hatred from his contract dispute a long-faded memory. Smoltz had won 44 games over the previous three seasons after an uncharted starter-to-closer-and-back-to-starter transition.
Together, they hoped to lead Atlanta back to the playoffs, to restart the nearly generation-long streak of division titles that ended in 2006.
'Whenever somebody decides it's going to be their last year, they want it to be a great year personally and they want to win a world championship,' Glavine said. 'Nothing could be better. But that's usually not the case.'
Is this it for the classy left-hander?
Glavine hasn't given up on pitching again in 2009, but concedes there's no template for a potential comeback. This is his first serious injury, so he has no idea how his arm will respond to the rehab process. And he's not some kid trying to prove himself; he's a 305-game winner who'll turn 43 next spring.
'Now that the year's gone the way that it has, on the one hand you say, 'Well, you're 42 years old, your body's starting to break down a little bit, maybe it's time to go home,' Glavine said. 'On the other hand you say, 'Gee, this isn't the way I wanted to go out.'
While Glavine approaches the future with a sense of realism, Smoltz is going at it will full-bore defiance. He intends to pitch again unless his oft-injured body absolutely refuses to go along with the plan.